I have been planning to write on this subject for sometime now. However I kept postpoing it as it was going to take me sometime to put things together. This post is not still complete in its purpose and do not be surprised if I am changing directions suddenly altogether. I just tried to put in everything that came to my mind. Its not my intention to hurt any one by this post. But if you are hurt then you are guilty.
I was not surprised when I heard that the IITs and the IIMs might soon have reservation upto 50%. Now where is this taking us to. I thought that the reservation sysem was initally introduced to give more opportunity to the backward class(BC, MBCs, SCs/STs, OCs) since they were discriminated against in the past by the so called higher/forward class. Now, if that was the case, then the reservation has to gradually come down every year. But now, it seems to me that in another few years it would be 100% reservation for the so called backward class and nothing for the forward class. This is abosulutely shitty and comes out as a mere consequence of some politicans trying to bang on the vote bank on the basis of caste.
Though money and power has been the main goal of these guys I wonder how they fail to understand the hardships of a student who has studied hard enough for an year or even more only to realise that he cannot become a doctor because he is from a FC. I am all the more agitated to learn that this kind of reservation is making its way even into the IITs and IIMs whose entrance exams are more performance oriented, unlike the state entrance exam which is usually not that tough.
Reservation if at all should be made only for the poor people who do not get an opportunity to go to coaching classes unlike their counterparts coming from the city. I was completely okay when the government made a reservation for people who studied in rural areas. But then look at this. I knew a guy who had a three storied house and several houses that their family rented out. Both his parents were well educated and earning a good salary. This guy never missed on an coaching class or anything for that matter. In my opinion though this guy was from one of the so called backward community, he was forward in all aspects. In fact he was well poised financially than many other catogorised FCs for that matter. I strongly believe that this guy should not be given any reservation. Even if given, this guy should have not used it. No wonder my cousin joined one of the private engineering colleges under the management quota even before the entrance exam results came out.
Add on to all this misery the silly and fanatic whims of AMMA or other politicians across the country who want to remove the state entrance exams. This would completely bring down the chances of a student who studied in CBSE. There are a huge bunch of people who voice their opinion about the brain drain and immigration to the USA and UK.. but then if this is the way the educational system is going to be handled in the country I think no one is going to stay back there. Infact, I already notice a huge increase in the number of students going abroad for undergraduate studies. But then this is just an elite class who can afford such education. What about the ones who are financially backward and forward by caste. Its a shame on you to demand a reservation when you do not need/deserve it.
Its high time the reservations are made only for the really backward people .. backward interms of financial position, backward in terms of location say from a rural place where they do not have a good school. And this class of backward people should include students from all communities. Infact rather than reservation I would suggest that people who come under this category should be given special previlages like free coaching and free access to the internet if they have the real intentions of bringing up the so called down trodden. (Why just provide free electricity to farmers??) The government should rather provide or force companies to provide free/subsided internet in villages. Not just internet but also establish better schools and offer special previlages to teacher who are ready to move to rural areas to teach.
However if the reservation policy is enacted for the IIMs and IITs too then we are not far from the day to see an IITan or an IIMan earing a cheap salary in some S/W company. We would only end up depreciating the value of some of the best schools in the country that have some international recognition.
With international education becoming a mandatory value addition these days.. we might also soon see a day when our politicans demand reservations in universities abroad. Chandrababu Naidu might try to coax Bill Gates to amke reservations for
people having their origin in the silicon valley.
And for those poor souls who have lost out all I can say is this: "No force can stop real talent".
I urge all those who are banking on the reservation system to use it only if you think you really deserve a reservation. And for you political assholes.. you can't go too far by luring people to vote for you by bribing them with reservation and favours based on caste. The global market has opened up and only real talent will survive. Even as a political leader you cannot survive for long if you lack basic education and some commen sense. Even if you people do not want to change your corrupt policies its high time you people revised your foxy tactics to tilt the vote bank in your favour. Caste based policies will not last long, for crossbreeding across international borders has started now. Soon intercaste boundaries would disappear and we would have only international boundaries. The next century might probably not see even that. It would be a free world (Not that all off mankind would turn humane, but for the reason that man would then be fighting across the galaxy then).
Arise, Awake and Stop not till your goal is reach(Vivekananda).
I was not surprised when I heard that the IITs and the IIMs might soon have reservation upto 50%. Now where is this taking us to. I thought that the reservation sysem was initally introduced to give more opportunity to the backward class(BC, MBCs, SCs/STs, OCs) since they were discriminated against in the past by the so called higher/forward class. Now, if that was the case, then the reservation has to gradually come down every year. But now, it seems to me that in another few years it would be 100% reservation for the so called backward class and nothing for the forward class. This is abosulutely shitty and comes out as a mere consequence of some politicans trying to bang on the vote bank on the basis of caste.
Though money and power has been the main goal of these guys I wonder how they fail to understand the hardships of a student who has studied hard enough for an year or even more only to realise that he cannot become a doctor because he is from a FC. I am all the more agitated to learn that this kind of reservation is making its way even into the IITs and IIMs whose entrance exams are more performance oriented, unlike the state entrance exam which is usually not that tough.
Reservation if at all should be made only for the poor people who do not get an opportunity to go to coaching classes unlike their counterparts coming from the city. I was completely okay when the government made a reservation for people who studied in rural areas. But then look at this. I knew a guy who had a three storied house and several houses that their family rented out. Both his parents were well educated and earning a good salary. This guy never missed on an coaching class or anything for that matter. In my opinion though this guy was from one of the so called backward community, he was forward in all aspects. In fact he was well poised financially than many other catogorised FCs for that matter. I strongly believe that this guy should not be given any reservation. Even if given, this guy should have not used it. No wonder my cousin joined one of the private engineering colleges under the management quota even before the entrance exam results came out.
Add on to all this misery the silly and fanatic whims of AMMA or other politicians across the country who want to remove the state entrance exams. This would completely bring down the chances of a student who studied in CBSE. There are a huge bunch of people who voice their opinion about the brain drain and immigration to the USA and UK.. but then if this is the way the educational system is going to be handled in the country I think no one is going to stay back there. Infact, I already notice a huge increase in the number of students going abroad for undergraduate studies. But then this is just an elite class who can afford such education. What about the ones who are financially backward and forward by caste. Its a shame on you to demand a reservation when you do not need/deserve it.
Its high time the reservations are made only for the really backward people .. backward interms of financial position, backward in terms of location say from a rural place where they do not have a good school. And this class of backward people should include students from all communities. Infact rather than reservation I would suggest that people who come under this category should be given special previlages like free coaching and free access to the internet if they have the real intentions of bringing up the so called down trodden. (Why just provide free electricity to farmers??) The government should rather provide or force companies to provide free/subsided internet in villages. Not just internet but also establish better schools and offer special previlages to teacher who are ready to move to rural areas to teach.
However if the reservation policy is enacted for the IIMs and IITs too then we are not far from the day to see an IITan or an IIMan earing a cheap salary in some S/W company. We would only end up depreciating the value of some of the best schools in the country that have some international recognition.
With international education becoming a mandatory value addition these days.. we might also soon see a day when our politicans demand reservations in universities abroad. Chandrababu Naidu might try to coax Bill Gates to amke reservations for
people having their origin in the silicon valley.
And for those poor souls who have lost out all I can say is this: "No force can stop real talent".
I urge all those who are banking on the reservation system to use it only if you think you really deserve a reservation. And for you political assholes.. you can't go too far by luring people to vote for you by bribing them with reservation and favours based on caste. The global market has opened up and only real talent will survive. Even as a political leader you cannot survive for long if you lack basic education and some commen sense. Even if you people do not want to change your corrupt policies its high time you people revised your foxy tactics to tilt the vote bank in your favour. Caste based policies will not last long, for crossbreeding across international borders has started now. Soon intercaste boundaries would disappear and we would have only international boundaries. The next century might probably not see even that. It would be a free world (Not that all off mankind would turn humane, but for the reason that man would then be fighting across the galaxy then).
Arise, Awake and Stop not till your goal is reach(Vivekananda).
35 comments:
I couldn't agree with you more. I was just discussing this topic with someone today. It's utter BULLSHIT. What I believe is that if they want to help out these backward classes, give them free education. And if these people can give the JEE and PASS it, THEN let their degree be free of cost. But there's no point in just reserving these seats and letting deserved smart students lose out in the process.
And you're so right about the international acclaim of the IITs abroad. That's the one institution people out here talk about with respect. But now, by letting these "backward" people get "forward", we are actually pushing our entire nation backward. It's pathetic. But that's politics.
yeeh, U r rite. reservations shud be done on basis of pple economy status not coz of OC/BC/FC blah, blah...
i missed my PG @IIT in 2 marks coz of cut-off set for the FC..
The author of this blog sitting happily in United States and complaining about systems in India.
You may say u didnt get a career here because of reservations so went to abroad but what have you done to change the systems its easy to comment and have u heard about Mandal Commision.
Decade after the commission gave its report, V.P Singh, the Prime Minister at the time, implemented its recommendations in 1989. The criticism was sharp and colleges across the country held massive protests against it. Soon after, Rajiv Goswami, student of Delhi University, self-immolated himself in protest of the governments actions. His act further sparked a series of self-immolations by other college students and led to a formidable movement against job reservations for Backward Castes in India.
People of Noth India are in striking contrast with the people in south.We just speak speak and speak..like this author.
The last line of the article is very much for the author of the blog.
Dear Mr. Ananoymous you have completely misunderstood the relevance of my post. I am not against the mandal commission report or even reservation policy. But my point is that the reservation never reaches the class of the society that it was intended to.
The reservation is being gossly misused by the "Well to do of" portion of the backward class and they do this by attaching their caste as a tag to themselves.
I wish if you had only read the Mandal CommissionReport completely and understood for whom the reservations were supposed to be made.
I would also like you to read this this page and understand how it has been misused.
And yeah just because I am in the USA it does not mean that I cannot voice my opinion. I am not sure if you have heard about an organisation called AID. There are thousands of US based Indians who work for this organisation from the US and have done better things in INDIA.
I assume that you are in India. Let me as you one question. What have you done on your part. It only people like you who do nothing and the point your fingers at others who Voice their opinion. Yes all that I might be doing here is speak speak and speak .. but that what the blog is for to express what you feel. If I can change the way a few people think through my blog I will definitely do it. And yeah I do not have to advertise to the rest of the world on what I have done.
According to what you say even newspapers should not exist then. Cause all that they do is brin out the information to you and do nothing about it.
well said vishy. i was also thinking abt this a lot. i lost an engineering seat jus bcos i couldnt meet the cut off marks set for the so called forward community, when an mbc friend of mine got the seat for the same cutoff. i totally agree that reservations really helped people who were discriminated. but for how long? there are many people around us who are poor and jus bcos of the fact they belong to fc,they are refused seats. when i was in college many friends of mine got their scholarship amount of around a thousand or so every year and believe it or not they spent the money by throwing a party to us. they really did not need that,when many of my friends belonging to so called fc ran from pillar to post for their college fees. as u said the percantage of reservation should be reduced and also the reservation system based on economical conditions should be brought into action. but is there any politician out there who could do this?
Good vishy, its indeed a good post today which demands more “thinking” and “research” for a comment than your earlier posts.
Yes, I too accept your thoughts on support for economic reservation than caste based or class based reservations. But, here we cannot deny the fact that we are talking about a country with more than a billion people with completely different socio, economic, religious and caste systems build within. Yes, it would be a real pain when a deserving person like u or ambi or veda were treated biased. But “bias” “division” “separation” etc. were strongly build in to the system by your ancestors and my forefathers.
You cannot deny the fact that during the pre-independence era, only certain sections of the society were given privilege to learn, to lead and to live. To change this divide and to create a equally privileged society for everyone to have a fair and free living, it was inevitable to have some extended privileges for the underprivileged. We need to understand, it not so long ago we got the independence and we are still working it to make it happen.
I am hoping I am not putting up an image in support of the politicians or for the backward class. When u think the politicians do these things just to get the votes, it also implies that majority of the people want it. Otherwise people will not vote in support of those politicians. So u need to understand its still the wish of the people (or atleast the majority).
Mandal commission recommended more than 12 new reforms and initiatives to eradicate problems causing the divide. But only a few recommendations were implemented. Just a quick question at this point, when we talk about removing caste based reservations and other so called dividers, do we really take time to think about the root cause?
How many of us were really interested to keep distance away our castes (doesn’t matter it is the forward people or the backward people)?. As of my knowledge more than 90% of the forward class cherish the honor and privilege of being FORWARD and not many in the backward class feel bad about being BACKWARD.
When we are talking about a billion people and a country with more than 26 million people below poverty line, the fame of IIT’s and IIM’s in the international scene is not important. Any policy decision made will be and should be in the best interest of the country and the majority of the people.
Ms: V wrote: But now, by letting these "backward" people get "forward", we are actually pushing our entire nation backward. It's pathetic.
Yes, Ms.V its pathetic when our nation go backward. But its not that easy for a democratic nation to go backward due to some narrow minded politicians and politics.
Moving FORWARD or BACKWARD depends on how many people push to which side.
-backward class-
Attaboy, Vishy!
Anonymous, would you care to shrug off ur anonymity!!!
Ajay: I respect your interest but me saying my name will it change anything?
@anonymous,
//But “bias” “division” “separation” etc. were strongly build in to the system by your ancestors and my forefathers.
You cannot deny the fact that during the pre-independence era, only certain sections of the society were given privilege to learn, to lead and live//
hi i agree with u on the above facts and we all know those facts, thats not new to us. what vishy,ambi and i say are that it is indeed time to consider the changes in reservation system,by reducing the percentage of reservation step by step, not totally abolishing it at one time. and also though we agree that indeed so called forward people
discriminated so called bc people, we are not proud or cherish the honour of being forward. we are actually chained by the name, we need to come out and we need some changes. thats the main point of this whole post.
anoymous 2 (-backward class-) I still think you have not read my reply to anonymous1. Look at my presvious comment in reply to anonymous. I hope you ar 2 different people.
Exactly as you said. Only a a select few points of the Mandal Commission were implemented and these were based on caste. It is again due to some caste based game played by the politicians. The Mandal Commission actually identified the roots of backwardness ( which you want to identified). It also mentioned as to people in which locality were to be classified as backward (eg places where poeple had no proper school etc.).
Please read the link on the Mandal commission report and the article published in The Hindu on how the mandal commision as be mis-implemented. Look at my last comment above for the links.
I only state that the reservations never reached the ones who need it the most ( even in the backward class). It has be badly used by the cream of the backward class ( or the well to do off portion, the really backward class never got anything and are still backward and going backward).
vishy: I understood what you mean and i did read ur comment and relevant references.
veda: Exactly as u said, the change will come and the caste based reservations will go away. But in a system infected with corruption, caste and economic divide and selfish interests there is always some kind of INJUSTICE done.
-backward class-
Sabaash, seriyaanaa potti! vishi, ithuku thaan nee ithanaa naalaa, naalu variyala kavithaiyaa ezhuthitu vanthiyaa?
hi author
you too have misunderstood my comments
By writing a blog what did you achieve?did arjun singh see your blog and cancelled the reservation.
I have done nothing because I dont believe in just talking and writing blogs like you .
You are making irrelevent justifications about AID i havent talked any thing about that I know they are doing a good job but am writing only about you (btw are you member of AID).
what have you done other than writing a blog or did your blog started an revolution in India against reservations(ha..ha).When you have something to comment give some solutions like come to India meet the authorities,form a group fight against reservations if you do that i will be the first person to join.
These were the things I meant.On the contrary you will get married get a green card make your children study there and comment all these shits from there.
If everybody like you starts to remain in the back of the arena(in your case a blog read by few)then who will actually fight If Gandhi,Bose,etc..restricted themself for a few to listen to them?
you said the blog is for you to express then block it from others reading it and the other easy way is write all your feeling in your laptop word and read it yourself.
Vishy,
Good one! Very interresting and a meanigful way of putting forward the "Backward" class!
Anonymous.. I can only laugh at your ignorance and childishness..
In your very first comment you taked about the implementation of the Mandal Commission and now you change the topic head over heels and say "On the contrary you will get married get a green card make your children study there and comment all these shits from there."
You seem to say that I cannot comment about things happening in India coz I stay in the US. ha ha..
I think I have been doing better things sitting here.. than what you have been doing sitting there (actually u have accepted you have done nothing).
How does it even matter to you on whether I am a member of any organisation.. your views are not going to change even if I say yes.
My post was simply meant to say that the Mandal commission's report though seems to be logical, was implemented in an unexpected fashion. Only selected parts of it were brought into effect and the points related to the roots of backwardness were neglected and hence a failure (read as caste based).
My blog never was meant to start any revolution. It merely caters to a small percentage of my friends and fellow bloggers who read it. I would be happy if it changes the mentality of one or two person who read it.
I do not know if Arjun Singh would actually read this.. but I know some of my friends will. And they might definitely change their opinion on this issue after reading this post. I do not think its easy to change the mind set of the politicians.. but I can definitely change the mindset of the poeple. And I think this is the first step towards that.
To express oneself means to let out what you have in your mind. Hence I write what I feel in my blog. I do not force any one to read it or post a comment. The ones who read it ..do so at their own interest and post a comment so as to express their opinion.
"...but I can definitely change the mindset of the poeple. And I think this is the first step towards that."
whats the second step?
vishy:
it looks like "anonymous-1" is having some personal problem with u :)
-backward class-
i've a gut feeling anonymous1 is also some where in US...
I dont have any personal vengence against the author and I truly agree that the author has the right to speak,write.
I am doing nothing as the author had highlighted but since the author had started some serious issues why dont he take the next step,if few of his friends change their mind will it create an chain reaction?
You must have surely heard about Lok Paritran,I think they have every rights to comment about the society since they have stepped into that.
I had read the authors previous blogs I think its high time let the author stick to his love blogs.
absolutely truee. None of my scribblings will say what it conveys in straight line but in an viscious circlee.
Reservation is spelled in our very own Constitution and it's evident that it's not serving it's purpose completely.On the other hand reservation is a damage control system and we can't expect reservation to work 100%.In my opinion Reservation based on economic status is not at all possible in our system.In India,number of people living below powerty line is 30 crore.For ex,Let's say 200000 people applying for a 200 IIM seats. how do u we decide who's poorest of poor among those 200000 applicants?
Now,What will happen to the FC students ,who are from economically down families,who are not enjoying all the facilities(including reservation) that economically sound (SC,BC,OC,SD) students enjoy?Reservation doesn't give u any answer to that.
My fear is that, reservation in the long run could create another oppressed section in our community.Govt should come out with the report on reservation and give us the facts like Percentage of people who are economically sound and yet used reservation and vice versa.Will we ever see that kind of report in the future???
Anonymous: I had a slight thought if it might be you.. now I am sure I know who you are. Hope you do not take my statements personally.. I just tried to convey my point.. well as for doing things.. this is the least I can do at this point of time.. hope to do more.
Ambi: I understood only the first part of your statemnet. As for the second part ... does that mean the naalu vari kavithai were all meaningless? konjam clear pannunga?
Gopalan Ramasubbu: As you said population is a major concern. When we look from that point of view .. I think we have been managing better than what other developed nations would have done if they had the same amount of population.
Just imagine.. India is 3 times smaller than the US and has a population more than 3 times that of the US..
Well only time will tell us how things will change..
"time though the best teacher ...kills all its students"
hi author
if you know me,mail or IM or call me I just want to know wheather your guess is right or wrong and if it is right i wan to know how did you find it?
ennapa idhu, I am reading the 3rd post on reservations in a row! Ore comment ella area-layum poda vendam ninaikaren. Me no spamming policy!
Usha.. neenga first en post aaah dhane padichu irukkanum!!! Ineme first inga padichu comments adichitu apporom matha blog ku ponga
*sigh* this exhausts me so much , i can't do more than nod my head and agree...
been there, seen it, felt it, hurt by it.. inching towards being resigned by it..
கொஞ்ச நாளாகவே reservation பற்றி எழுத மாட்டாங்களான்னு எதிர்பார்த்திருந்தேன்.வாய்ப்பு கொடுத்த அர்ஜுன் சிங்குக்கு முதல்ல நாம நன்றி சொல்லனும்.
Creteria can be made stringent for the beneficiers in addition to Caste
1.They should be from Villages
2.Parent(s) should be illitrate
3.Economically backward
<---- And they might definitely change their opinion on this issue after reading this post.--->
Ha,Ha,ha
The affected parties always oppose reservation.Others will support it.
Majority of people[who require reservation] should be considered till they achieve what they want.Till such time, others should wait.
This is applicable to anything, not only reservation.
IIT,IIM-ஓட தரம் குறைஞ்சிரும்னு வருத்தப்படறீங்க.என்னமோ இந்தியாவோட பொருளாதாரமே IIT/IIM-ஐ வைத்துதான் இருப்பதுபோல்.அமெரிக்கா போய் மேல்படிப்பு படித்து வேலை பார்த்து கிரீன் கார்டு வாங்கி செட்டிலாவதற்க்கு இந்திய அரசு ஏன் நமது பணத்தை வீணாக்க வேண்டும்?
முன்பு தமிழ்நாடு அமைச்சர்(கல்வியமைச்சர்னு ஞாபகம்) சொன்னது
"கலைக்கல்லூரி மாணவர்கள் எல்லாம் படித்தபின் அரசு வேலை கொடு என்று அடிக்க்டி ஸ்ட்ரைக் செய்தார்கள்.
ITI institute திறந்தோம்.பின் பாலிடெக்னிக் திறந்தோம்.அப்புறம் பொறியியல் கல்லூரிகளை திறந்தோம்.
இப்போ யாரும் ஸ்ட்ரைக் செய்வதில்லை."
அப்படிச் செய்யப்போய்த்தான் நாமெல்லாம் software engineer-ஆகி BLOG எழுதிட்டிருக்கோம்
அதே மாதிரி ஊருக்கு 2 IIT/IIM திறந்தா சரியா போய்டும்.
இந்தப் பதிவு பாதிக்கப்பட்டவரோட கருத்து என்ற அளவில் மற்ற பாதிக்கப்பட்டவருக்கு ஒரு ஆறுதலா இருக்கும்.அவ்வளவுதான்.
என்ன விஷி, உங்களூடைய அருமையான் பதிவை(Vishi(ou)s circle )க் காணோம்! எங்கேயோ தர்ம திட்டு(வீட்டில்?) வாங்கிய மாதிரி தெரியுது -)
Siva.. Vishi(ou)s Circle engayum pogathu.. konja naal aah. blog la etho problem.. ippo dhan sari aachu.
<-- Siva.. Vishi(ou)s Circle engayum pogathu --->
அதுதானே பார்த்தேன்.விஷியா கொக்கா(கொஞ்சம் ஐஸ்தான். இதே மாதிரி நிறைய ஆராய்ச்சிக் கட்டுரைகள் உங்களிடமிருந்து வருவதற்க்கு).நன்றி
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